First I must apologize: I've had a general malaise hanging over me and just haven't felt like writing. This simple post has taken me over three days to complete. Maybe I'm coming down with some kind of holiday bug or WoW ennui? In any case, I appreciate you coming here and taking the time to read my works, even if you're all lurkers and never comment. On to the Post.Every since my guild decided to really focus on end-game progression there has been problems and grumbling within the guild. We've had a smattering of /gquits and a lot of screaming in private channels on vent.
In part it is these 25-man teams that just seems to be made to exclude people, in part it is the fact that no one seems to be able to agree on raiding nights, I'm sure there are other reasons, but it seems like everyone was on edge for quite awhile. And then something happened; it was the kind of thing that, depending upon the reaction, could pull the guild apart or make it more cohesive. Luckily, the latter came about and, at least for a little while, end-game raiding complaining quieted down.
What happened? you ask. Well, I'll tell ya.
My Guild does not use the DKP system, we use the Suicide Kings, which is basically a list. The person on the top of the list has the first shot at the loot, if they take it, they drop to the bottom of the list and everyone else moves up.
This story involves a well respecting member of the guild, funny, good at his role, a favorite of the officers, a class leader and the designated disenchanter of Tokens for his class.
A T4 shoulder token dropped and no one requested it, so this person, who was at the very top of the Suicide Kings list, took the token in order to DE it.
So he turned in the token for gear and then, instead of disenchanting it just sent two void crystals to the Guild Bank AND THEN SHOWED UP THE NEXT NIGHT FOR THE RAID IN HIS NEW T4 SHOULDERS. So in essence he took the gear without suiciding himself down the list.
As punishment, the Guild Leader and officers present made him DE the gear then and there and then suicided him to the bottom of the list and asked him to leave the raid.
Many people in the guild thought this was too lenient as the guild charter says that any "Ninja" type move will be grounds for expulsion from the guild.
Of course, this was just the Officers' first reaction they had not had a chance to debate the issue they continued to have a very somber raid night.
When the incident was revisited and discussed amongst the membership and officers a decision to /gkick was decided, even though the culprit claimed all along that all he wanted to do was just "check out" the shoulders, however, his protest rang silent and his regardless of his motives his actions really rocked the guild.
In the end, he quit before he could be kicked, but in a final goodbye on the forums he never owned up to the fact that he did something wrong... in fact, he claimed he was /gquiting because he felt he had been treated unfairly (by being made to DE the item and then be suicided to the bottom of the list).
This was a likable, funny, person who in leaving the guild in such spectacular fashion, he brought such pain and angst that he actually brought us all together... at least momentarily.
4 comments:
What he did is not done imo... finding a way to avoid the rules doesn't mean they don't apply to you. Making him DE the item afterall is a fair decission, dropping him to the bottom aswell (eventho he doesn;'t have an item anymore) seems a good punishment.
I think that will hurt someone quite a bit and, depending on the person, might often be punishment enough or at least a nice start.
The officers did a good thing making him do that right away and drop him from that nights raid.
It's sad to see that this person didn't realise his mistake and actually blames the guild.. seems he wasn't such a great person afterall, i'd say good riddance.
Ow and keep the posts m8, defo gonna beat you to 100 now :P
I know the feeling, bud. I'm going through a period of WoW-based malaise myself due to a /gquit. I'm a non-raider as I don't have the time to commit to it every night and, as such, don't get support or even much in the way of a "Hello" from the guild. So now I'm a free agent getting the ninja-guild invites at every turn in a major city. Fun.
/sarcasm
While I'm inclined to agree with the way your officers handled the situation, it's another reason I don't care to patake in raiding. Too much drama over a ridiculous piece of gear absolutely sucks all the fun out of that 2-3 hour raid.
While I am not saying what he did is right anytime upgrades are disenchanted especially teir upgrades it should be sending a big message to Guild leadership that your dkp system is failing.
The purpose of dkp is share the loot fairly not generate miniscule amounts of gold for the Guild Bank.
One issue at this level of raiding is 1 min of looking at the stats provides no information on if a item is a upgrade. Its 30 mins witha calculator and/or a wws log before you know.
Hrm, I'm not sure I agree with the decisions made, seems to me that he should have been moved down the bottom of the list, but DE'ing the shoulders too was a bit harsh much less the /gkick. I'm not saying he did nothing wrong, but he did send the voids to the bank which sounds to me like he was trying to do the right thing. He should have told the raid leader or whoever was in charge of the SK list and him moved down, but even so, just doing that aught to have punishment enough in my book.
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